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Gary Lewis Outdoorsman Podcast S4 E121 – Tim Weddington of 10 Gauge Outfitters

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Prairie Dogs & Big Kansas Whitetails & a 4-Rooster Limit with 10 Gauge Outfitters

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Gary Lewis (00:21):

Welcome back to a podcast called Gary Lewis Outdoorsman. This is where we talk about big game hunting, environment hunting around the west and around the world. And today we go right smack in the middle of the country to Kinsley, Kansas and Tim Weddington and a company called 10 Gauge Outfitters. Welcome to the podcast, Tim.

Tim Weddington (00:45):

Thanks, Gary. Great to be here.

Gary Lewis (00:47):

So where is Kinsley Kansas?

Tim Weddington (00:51):

Kinsley Kansas is located in the middle of the state of Kansas, but it’s also in the middle of the United States. It’s 1,561 miles to New York City, 1,561 miles to San Francisco.

Gary Lewis (01:05):

Oh, man. Do you ever get clients from either one of those towns?

Tim Weddington (01:09):

Oh, we actually get ’em from both. Get ’em from all over the United States.

Gary Lewis (01:13):

That is awesome. That is awesome. Okay, so we’re going to talk about Prairie Dog hunting today and whatever else you want to talk about. But first, how can people find you? Give me your social media if you have social media and website.

Tim Weddington (01:28):

Yeah, website’s going to be 10 gauge outfitters.com, and then all of our social media is 10 Gauge Outfitters, whether it be YouTube or Facebook or Twitter. All you got to do is just look up 10 gauge outfitters and you’re going to find this, and that’s one Zero Gauge Outfitters.

Gary Lewis (01:48):

You’ve got a great website and it’s easy to tell what you do. The pheasant hunting, quail hunting, prairie dog hunting, dove, Turkey and deer. And then you’ve got a section on the lodge. And how did you get into this line of work, Tim?

Tim Weddington (02:13):

Wow, that was years ago. I started out as a guide when I was a teenager back in Tennessee guiding for Turkey hunting, and I just fell in love with the outdoors, with the hunting industry itself, and I worked at different jobs that actually brought me to the Midwest. And as I was working, I was renting property and buying property, and I decided, you know what? I’m going to offset some of the costs and take a few hunters. And that was 18 years ago, and it went from taking two clients one year to about six clients the next year, and it just kept growing and growing and growing. And we started this business out of a little bitty trailer that was our lodge in the beginning. And now we have about a 6,000 square foot lodge that we run clients out of.

Gary Lewis (03:14):

When you settled in Kansas, what was it that kept you there? Why Kansas?

Tim Weddington (03:25):

Well, I’m a big game hunter myself, so it’s right smack dab in the middle of anywhere I want to go chase big game. But Kansas is so diversified on the amount of wildlife that we have, and it’s got, like I said, I’ve hunted all over the United States and parts of Canada and Alaska, and there is no place you’re going to find abundance of trophy deer then you’re going to find here. And I started out in the deer business, and then all the properties that we bought and we rented, we just kept running into covey of Quell and pheasant all the time, and I’m like, you know what? We do have great deer, but our bird population is even better. And so we switched gears and got more into bird hunting than the big gang side of hunting. We still do deer hunts, of course, but we really cater towards the bird hunting side.

(04:35):

And then I had a friend, this is a crazy story. I had a friend out of Marshall Springer out of Gregory, South Dakota. He has a lodge up there and he does prairie dog shooting and bird hunting, but he does prairie dog shooting, and he called me up and said, Tim, I got too many clients. He goes, I’m full. I’ve got nowhere to send them. He goes, do you have any prairie dog towns down there? I said, well, sure. He said, well, if you’ll go find them, I’m going to send you a bunch of Prairie dog clients. I just went and talked to the local landowners and rented their properties with prairie dogs on ’em, and then we started shooting prairie dogs

Gary Lewis (05:19):

And it’s a win-win for you and the property owner, isn’t it?

Tim Weddington (05:27):

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. It helps control the population. We will never annihilate the population. They get too smart and they get too skittish if you shoot on ’em really, really hard trying to annihilate them, but we can keep the numbers down. We can keep ’em in control.

Gary Lewis (05:46):

Yeah. Okay. When somebody comes out and hunts with you, they find themselves in the middle of historic country. What links to Western history do people find if they come and hunt with you?

Tim Weddington (06:05):

Oh, wow. I mean, there are several places where you can go to Fort Lonard, which was one of the first forts in the state of Kansas where it was on the Santa Fe Trail, or you go to Dodge City and you see all the cattle history of Western Kansas and how that got settled. They were actually shipping cattle out on the rails out out of Kansas, and they were driving them by herds out of Texas into Kansas to get ’em on their railroad.

Gary Lewis (06:39):

Yeah. What’s Dodge City like now?

Tim Weddington (06:44):

Well, it’s still in the cattle industry. They have three meat packing plants there, so they process a lot of beef

Gary Lewis (06:58):

Prairie dog hunting. I’ve done a little bit of prairie dog hunting in Wyoming. I’ve been around prairie dogs while I’ve been hunting deer and antelope, and then I hunt sage rats, what we call sage rats every single year, and we get a lot of shooting. How much shooting do you get on the Prairie dogs? How much ammo does a person need to bring? I

Tim Weddington (07:23):

Mean, on a typical prairie dog hunt, if you’re shooting, it varies quite a bit, Gary, because if you’re a shooter and you want to range every shot and measure the wind on every shot and they’re shooting a bolt action, those guys, they shoot anywhere from 150 to 200 grounds a day. Then you have guys that come out with AR platforms and they don’t measure the wind, they don’t measure the range, and they just don unload the clip. And those guys, I mean, I’ve seen them shoot all the way up to a thousand rounds, a piece a day. I mean, they’re just banging away, which is part of the fun. I mean, oh yeah.

Gary Lewis (08:03):

Oh yeah. We’re not making fun of them. Those are our people.

Tim Weddington (08:08):

Yeah. Yeah. It’s kind of like playing whack-a-mole.

Gary Lewis (08:15):

Okay. Well, I know we’re going to talk about optics here in a minute, but what are the best calibers that you see people bring out for these hunts?

Tim Weddington (08:24):

Well, I mean for here, our normal shooting distance is going to be three to 600 yards. So you can shoot a half guy shooting some two oh fours, but that’s really borderline large enough caliber gun for you to be really good because you have the wind to play with here. That wind is going to blow your bullet when you’re shooting three to 600 yards when you’re shooting them a 40 grain bullet. So I like to tell guys, a 22, 2 50 is great. Everybody shoots the 2, 2, 3, the 5, 5 6, because that’s an easy ammo to get their hands on. And then we got guys that are shooting the two four val, the six point fives, and heck, I’ve seen guys shoot 50 cows. It just depends on how far you want to shoot. I mean, we had a guy here, he was shooting a 50 cow, and he only wanted to shoot at a thousand yards more, and it’s all about, which

Gary Lewis (09:34):

Brings us to our next question. How do you get the most out of your rifle using the optics?

Tim Weddington (09:44):

Well, my old saying is if you can’t see a prairie dog, you can’t shoot it. So optics is everything. So you really need clarity. You really need to have a target radical or be using target turrets. So you can set the yardages. There’s a big difference between 300 yards and 600 yards as far as your bullet drop. You need to know what that drop is and you need to be able to adjust for it, or you’re just going to be fleeing lead down range.

Gary Lewis (10:15):

So you really want to see somebody bring a range finder.

Tim Weddington (10:19):

Oh, a range finder is a must, and a good set of binos is a must if you’re going to be shooting with friends. A spotting scope is a great help when you’ve got friends shooting together. But I mean, optics is everything. I would rather see a client spend way more money on the scope and less money on the gun because most guns out of a box will shoot better than the shooter can shoot.

Gary Lewis (10:50):

Okay, so then let’s get specific, what are some good choices and magnification, for instance? Let’s start there.

Tim Weddington (11:00):

Yeah, so I always tell people that you want to use a really big objective, you want to use a 50 millimeter objective that gives you a field of view. I mean, even when you’re zoomed in at 24 power, you still have a field of view, and the power is really based on your eyesight. I mean, a 16 power scope is perfectly fine if you have really good eyesight. If your eyesight is lacking as mine is, I’m 56 and it’s not what it used to be, so I still like that 24 power, so I can really bring them in close and see what I’m doing. Then you get into brands, vortex probably makes the most inexpensive good optics in their viper line, their Viper PST line, which is a first focal plane scope. They’re moderately p pla, and then you can step that up all the way to a COIs, which is going to be a very expensive scope, but crystal clear optics, that’s what I shoot, ask you to call us, which is owned by Swarski now.

Gary Lewis (12:13):

Yeah, right, right. Okay. When you see a new scope manufacturer, there’s a lot of good glass being made right now. When you see a new scope manufacturer, maybe you haven’t heard of them before and you pick up the optic for the first time. Is there something you look for when you’re looking at new glass?

Tim Weddington (12:37):

You want to make sure that you don’t have a whole bunch of heat signature in that scope. Everybody talks about having crystal clear glass. Well, that’s one thing, but if you have so much mirage in the scope that you can’t see what you’re shooting at, it really doesn’t matter how clear the glass is. The first thing I try to do is even if you’re in a store, you can look at the lighting in the store and if you see inside a store, if you see any mirage in that scope at all, then it’s going to be quadrupled when you go outside in the sun.

Gary Lewis (13:08):

Okay. So point it right up at a light,

Tim Weddington (13:11):

Point it directly at a bright light and see if you can see any mirage in that scope at all, which it’s basically a heat signature.

Gary Lewis (13:20):

Yeah, I noticed that managers in sporting goods stores start getting nervous when I ask them to take optics outside.

Tim Weddington (13:29):

Well, that is the absolute best way to find out what you’re getting before you get it.

Gary Lewis (13:35):

Yeah,

Tim Weddington (13:35):

That’s right. Sometimes that’s what makes ’em a little sketchy. It’s not the fact that think you’re going to run off with their scope, they can actually lease something. Is the fact that you’re going to find out that the scope really is not what you want it to be when you take it outside because it changes dramatically from inside light to outside light.

Gary Lewis (13:58):

Okay. When you’re out there and you’re on a multi-day hunt, do you see people becoming better shooters?

Tim Weddington (14:07):

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Especially when it’s somebody that hasn’t been shooting prairie dogs before. I always tell ’em the first day is a learning curve. Day number one, you got to learn your gun, our wind and yardages, and then everyone, it’s still hunting. Those prairie dogs really blend in well with their environment. So you have to look for ’em. There’s thousands of them, yes, but unless they’re sitting up on a mound doing exercises for you to see, some of ’em are a little difficult to see. So finding them is the next thing. And then, okay, let’s say we found one and then we grab our range finder and we range it, and then we pick our scope back up. Well, you got to find the actual prairie dog that you ranged. There’s so many out there. You might pick up one that’s a hundred, 250 yards long of where you’re at or 150, 200 yards short of where you’re at. So it’s a learning curve, and absolutely after the first day, the second day guys are getting much better at their shots

Gary Lewis (15:18):

From your lodge out to the prairie dog town. How many miles?

Tim Weddington (15:25):

Yeah, that’s going to be a great variance. We have some that are just 14 miles from our lodge, and we have some that are 45 miles from our lodge, and we have towns that are basically a 360 degree circumference of our lodge in every direction. And we do that for several reasons. Number one, sometimes we can beat the weather. If we have rain up north, we might be able to go south and be in sunny weather to be able to shoot prairie dogs. It also, if a town south gets hit with a plague, other towns are too far away, they’re not going to be affected by it. So you just lose one town, you don’t lose everything.

Gary Lewis (16:09):

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And then if you have some real good shooters on a town, then you move the next group off to a different place.

Tim Weddington (16:20):

Well, yeah, we bounce around. We never try to shoot a town multiple days in a row unless a client just says, Hey, I want to come back here and shoot here again. I had an absolute blast today. And we’ll tell ’em, Hey, it’ll be a little slower, but they don’t care. And in that case, then we’ll shoot the town consecutively. If not for that, then we’re always moving to different towns.

Gary Lewis (16:44):

Are you using elevated trailers?

Tim Weddington (16:47):

We do. We have some fields that we have trailers set up in that we’ve built that are about eight foot. The shooting platform is about eight foot off the ground on a trailer that has jacks on it and been stabilized, and then it has shooting bitches on top of it. And then other fields we don’t need that. We have enough elevation in the field that we can get on a spot that we can just shoot off of benches.

Gary Lewis (17:12):

Yeah, it’s all about elevation.

Tim Weddington (17:14):

Yes.

Gary Lewis (17:16):

And then the type of ammunition, if somebody’s bringing a 2, 2, 3, what do you tell ’em? Do you want ’em to bring hollow points or,

Tim Weddington (17:26):

Absolutely. We try to steer everybody away from the full metal back grounds because number one, they go right through the animal and they don’t cause a whole lot of damage. And the animal generally, you’re not even sure if you hit it or not. Secondly, that bullet tends to want to skip. If you hit the ground front or behind on a miss, the round wants to skip and ricochet. Whereas a hollow point, it generally anything it hits at the speed that is traveling at it explodes.

Gary Lewis (18:07):

When you’re out there, you probably see badgers, rabbits. What else?

Tim Weddington (18:14):

Badgers, rabbits. On occasion, when we’re pulling up into a field, you might see some coyotes. I mean, coyotes become very obvious to them that we’re there shooting prey dogs because they can come in at night and just clean the field up from all the carnage of that day. So they seem to learn that pattern. And every once in a while we’ll be roll up on a town and they’ll be checking it, and you’ll see a coyo too.

Gary Lewis (18:43):

What about rattlesnakes?

Tim Weddington (18:44):

Don’t see many snakes. We have a couple of our western towns that we can get into a snake population, but we only have two towns that’s going to have rattlesnakes now. But when we say we have towns with them, those towns are loaded because those snakes, you know it, they live in those boroughs and they live on those prairie dogs. They eat the prairie dogs, so they’re healthy snakes, and there’s quite a few of them. So on those towns you don’t venture around hardly at all.

Gary Lewis (19:13):

Man. I watched a great blue hair and choke down a full adult size beldings ground squirrel, and that thing stood there and ate that thing. I could see just a big bulge going down through his throat. And you must have some big snakes.

Tim Weddington (19:39):

Oh yeah, you’ll see a rattlesnake. And if he’s eight, one or two dogs and they’ve started to decompose inside him, he’ll be as big around as your calf. He’s not very docile at that point. He’s not going to be striking you or anything because he’s pretty much laying there and agonizing pain like we are after Thanksgiving meal. But he’s definitely there and he looks pretty mean anyway. He is all swelled up.

Gary Lewis (20:10):

Yeah. What kind of a hunting license does a person need?

Tim Weddington (20:13):

Got to have a non-resident hunting license in the state of Kansas to shoot any type of a environment.

Gary Lewis (20:20):

What’s that cost? These days?

Tim Weddington (20:22):

They’re around a hundred bucks,

Gary Lewis (20:25):

And people generally drive in or fly in.

Tim Weddington (20:29):

Most of the time they drive because guys are most haw shooters, they don’t bring just one gun, they bring them three or four, and then they’ve got rounds for three or four guns. And the airlines are not going to let you carry very much ammunition at all. So on the occasions clients do fly in, they always ship their ammo to us in advance.

Gary Lewis (20:51):

Oh, good idea. Now what about traveling? How do you see people, are you seeing people use these gun storage systems like Truck Vault or some of the other ones? Yeah,

Tim Weddington (21:12):

We have seen some guys using the truck vaults. Generally it’s guys just carrying a pelican. Cases are very, very common, and they’ll just stack those up in their truck and they’ll either have that rolling tooo cover that pulls over the top of their bed, or some guys have little camper shells on there. When you have the guys that are just ate up with Prairie Dog shooting, those guys come with an enclosed trailer and they have all their gear stacking that enclosed trailer.

Gary Lewis (21:46):

Yes, God bless ’em. I love people like that. Some of my friends are like that. Yeah,

Tim Weddington (21:56):

It’s addictive. I mean, it really is.

Gary Lewis (21:59):

Yeah. There’s people I know that they general, they get into Prairie Dog shooting and they like it so much that it begins to consume their free time to the point where maybe they’re not going to go deer hunting this year because they’re, they’re going to spend an extra week prairie dog hunting.

Tim Weddington (22:23):

Well, we see that a lot of clients, they get so excited and enthralled with the shooting that they decide, you know what? I would rather go do this four times instead of doing one deer hunt because the cost of a really nice deer hunt’s about the cost of going on two or three, four prey dog shoots.

Gary Lewis (22:45):

Yeah, that’s right. That’s right. Okay. So when do you switch over to deer hunting? What time of season is that for you?

Tim Weddington (22:57):

We start deer hunting in September. The state of Kansas. We have a muzzle loader season opens up first. They allow bow hunting during that muzzle loader season, but the muzzle loader season is first, and it’s generally about the second Wednesday of September that it opens up. And they’ll have a youth hunt the week before that at, and then we’ll have 12 days of muzzle loader season, and then it goes straight into bow season. And then we will have bow season all the way up to the first Wednesday of December, and then that opens up a gun season and that’s a 12 day gun season. And then we go back into bow season and we run bow season all the way to the end of December.

Gary Lewis (23:43):

Oh, I see. Okay. And you generally do what? A five day hunt?

Tim Weddington (23:49):

Yeah, five day deer hunts.

Gary Lewis (23:55):

Tell me about the lodge.

Tim Weddington (23:57):

The lodge started out as a schoolhouse back in the late 18 hundreds. And a family bought the school, remodeled it, built it, turned it into a house. And then,

(24:18):

Well, 12 years ago, we bought the property at an auction and remodeled the school house and then added on the big lodge to it. And so we have a main lodge, and then the old school house is attached to that main lodge. And then we have a commercial kitchen that’s outside of all of that because I don’t like to have the smell of food inside the lodge being prepared. So we have a commercial kitchen that’s in another building, and then we bring all the food into the lodge and serve the food there. And then we have a big outdoor kitchen area that’s got a pig smoker and a outdoor fireplace and TVs and just a place to relax. And that’s where most people spend a majority of their time when we have nice weather.

Gary Lewis (25:14):

It sounds like eat pretty good.

Tim Weddington (25:17):

Pardon me?

Gary Lewis (25:18):

Sounds like you eat pretty good there.

Tim Weddington (25:20):

Well, you eat very well. You’re not going to go away hungry. I can promise you that. And guys ought to take a look at our YouTube page and look up 10 gauge Outfitters and click on what’s called a video called the Whisper. And it is a promo video that pretty much gives you an outlay of what 10 Gauge Outfitters is all about. It gives you a really good view of the lodge and understanding of what we’re all about.

Gary Lewis (25:50):

And that’s called the Whisper. Okay, I see that right there on your website.

Tim Weddington (25:55):

It’s on the website and it’s also on YouTube under 10 Gauge Outfitters.

Gary Lewis (26:00):

Okay.

Tim Weddington (26:01):

But you could look at it either way. You could actually probably just type in the whisper and find it.

Gary Lewis (26:08):

How does the deer hunt generally go? Is it spot in stock or you on stands or how does that work?

Tim Weddington (26:13):

Well, the deer hunting is, we do it multiple ways. I mean, we have food blocks and then we have feeders, and we have water stations, and we have stands on those feed and food plot and water stations. And then we have stands located in travel quarters where we can see for a mile and we spot and stock deer out of those. So it’s a mixed basket.

Gary Lewis (26:41):

How many hunters do take for rifle season?

Tim Weddington (26:46):

We take about three guys.

Gary Lewis (26:48):

Oh man. Okay. I get the picture.

Tim Weddington (26:53):

Yeah. We have found that less is much better because we have about, oh, we have a little over 18,000 acres now, and on 18,000 acres we can kill about three to four trophy deer, mature deer, and we go beyond that and we’re going to start getting into taking some really nice immature deer. So we stay away from that. We’re not a volume outfitter when it comes to deer hunting.

Gary Lewis (27:36):

How do you keep bucks on your property so they’re not wandering off?

Tim Weddington (27:43):

Well, you got to make sure you have a really good food source and really good water source, and then they got to have some good cover. And generally, if we can hold the do we can hold the bucks.

Gary Lewis (27:54):

Do you operate under the principle that you’re going to try to hold the deer on the property 365 days a year?

Tim Weddington (28:02):

Not really. There’s just no way. The deer travel way too much. So we go to the thought process that, okay, all of our neighboring properties, we approach them and see what they’re doing and get them on the page that we’re on. Some of the neighboring property owners, they’re not hunters, so we’ll actually rent their ground to keep people off of it and not hunt it. They don’t want hunters, but they’re willing, they’re willing to say, okay, if you’ll compensate us, we will shut our property down. And that helps tremendously as far as not having deer travel off, end up with somebody else’s tag on ’em. And then we do have some landowners that have joined us that are hunters, but they have all seen the effects of managing wildlife and seeing how well deer will do if you let ’em get to five years old. And they’re pretty much all on the same program, so we’re just trying to harvest mature deer.

Gary Lewis (29:18):

Okay. Now you guys have a pheasant season. Kansas has been long known for pheasant hunting. I imagine that the work you do with the deer benefits, the pheasant numbers too. Is that right?

Tim Weddington (29:35):

Well, yes, but we also actually farm for the pheasants. We go in and put food plots for pheasants, and we don’t harvest those food plots. And then we put grass in for the pheasants. And we always do this where there’s irrigation because water is the premium here. So we’ll go into areas where there’s irrigation circles, and then we’ll put grass in the middle of that where say there’s four quarters of irrigation. We’ll get right in the middle of that and put in grass. So our grass is surrounded by irrigation crops. Well, that brings in all the pheasants will have grain, they’ll have bugs, and they’ll have water, and then once that crop gets cut, then they’ve got to go to that grass. So it makes phenomenal numbers on quarters of grass. And Kansas doesn’t do a really, really good job of marketing pheasant hunting, but our pheasant numbers are way more than South Dakota, but our state doesn’t market it that way. They market more to deer hunting, but our pheasant hunting is second to none, and we have quail. That’s the big kicker, is you can go hunt pheasant in the morning and then hunt quail in the afternoon. And our quail population is just as good as our pheasant population,

Gary Lewis (31:08):

Man. Yeah, I would drive all the way from Oregon to hunt pheasants in quail.

Tim Weddington (31:16):

Yeah,

Gary Lewis (31:17):

It’s probably even further than driving from San Francisco.

Tim Weddington (31:22):

It’s definitely a great place to get a mixed bag of Upland gang.

Gary Lewis (31:28):

Do you provide guides and dogs for people?

Tim Weddington (31:34):

Oh, absolutely. It is a full service lodge, so all you need to show up with is your shotgun and your ammo, and we take care of everything else. We’ve got guys, we’ve got dogs. We actually have 22 bird dogs of own. They’re all German short hairs, pointers, and you really don’t have to bring anything.

Gary Lewis (31:57):

Wow. 22 German short hairs,

Tim Weddington (32:01):

22 German short hairs, and two English.

Gary Lewis (32:06):

Oh, we got to have a couple English. And so which dogs get to live in the house? How many get to live in the

Tim Weddington (32:11):

House? We have one bird dog that actually lives in the house, and then the rest of them are all out the kennels. The kennels are probably nicer in the house though, to be honest with you.

Gary Lewis (32:23):

Yeah. What do you wish that people knew about Kansas?

Tim Weddington (32:30):

Kansas? I wish they knew how good the upland hunting was. I wish our department of game and fish would market like South Dakota does. We just don’t spend the marketing dollars that South Dakota does. And so South Dakota is the pheasant capital of the world. Well, I guide. I’ve guide in South Dakota, North Dakota, and Nebraska and Kansas, and nobody has numbers. We have. Okay. But it’s got to be in the right spots. I mean, I guess South Dakota, they have better numbers everywhere, but if you find irrigation and cover a farmer that leaves cover for the upland game, you’re going to find way more numbers. And our bag limit says that because we’re allowed four roosters here. Four, yeah. Okay. The state of South Dakota only allows three. We can hunt at daylight and we don’t have to wait. So you’re limited when you go north of us. It’s a hunt upland game.

Gary Lewis (33:37):

Yeah. Okay. Well, man, that sounds good. What about turkeys? Let’s talk turkeys for a little bit.

Tim Weddington (33:45):

Talk turkeys. That’s coming up. So our Turkey population is, it’s kind like shooting fish in a barrel because we don’t have a lot of trees, but most of our deer hunting property is all on the Arkansas River. So we have all kinds of roosting trees, so anywhere where those roosting trees are, we’re going to have birds, and we have food plots, and we have food sources, so those turkeys are going to hang out in those areas. Kansas did go this year to a draw system for non-residents, and today, I believe was the day that they released the results. So I haven’t heard from just a handful of clients. Most of them were successful on their draw, but this is going to be a new learning curve as far as what it takes to get drawn. How many points or how many years you have to put in to draw tag. It’s always been over the counter until this year.

Gary Lewis (34:46):

Okay. I keep thinking about my grandma. My grandma grew up in Kansas, and I went there when I was 10. I went to the old home place, and I remember the men were going to take me hunting one day and we walked out and I was just 10 years old, and I’m walking with them and we didn’t get anything, and I was disappointed, but I remember my grandma and her sister, my great aunt, getting into the biggest argument I ever saw them get into. And they were fighting about what tasted better jackrabbit or cottontail, and they got so mad at each other. They wouldn’t even speak to each other for an hour.

Tim Weddington (35:30):

Well, I’m not going to be able to talk much on that because I don’t eat rabbit, but we see a lot of jackrabbits. I see way more jackrabbits than I do cottontails, but I don’t know of anyone that eats them, and I haven’t done that myself.

Gary Lewis (35:47):

Well, I thought, man, you ladies are crazy.

Tim Weddington (35:51):

Yeah.

Gary Lewis (35:55):

Okay. So your quail are Bob whites, is that right?

Tim Weddington (35:59):

Yes. Yeah. Our quail population, I mean, it is really in the past three years has just boomed and it’s getting to a point on big sections of ground with lots of plumb brush on ’em. You’re going to find more quell than you’ll find pheasant in those pastures because they seem to, the quell seem to be hardier on less water. They don’t require near as much water as the pheasant seem to require. But out in those pastures, our quail numbers have just gone through the roof.

Gary Lewis (36:44):

Wow.

Tim Weddington (36:47):

I grew up in Tennessee. I’m 56 years old, and I grew up in Tennessee, and I remember as a young boy hunting quail and hunting them in the briar thickets and in the fence rows. And boy, nowadays I think about that and I’m thinking, I’d much better just go hunt ’em in the plum brush and let the dog do all the work.

Gary Lewis (37:13):

When somebody wants to get started hunting, they have not hunted. Maybe they’re 35, 40 years old. Where do you like to see somebody like that get started?

Tim Weddington (37:27):

Well, the first thing they’re going to need to do is go take a hunter safety course. That’s going to be the beginning steps right there. Once they get that done, the best way to do it is to find a friend that has hunting experience or hire an outfitter that’s willing to take you in and teach you how to be an outdoorsman and how to hunt. Hunt. Because it’s actually something you have to learn it. It’s a little instinctive, but it is more learned than it is instinctive.

Gary Lewis (38:03):

It really helps to have an older friend who’s been successful to help you get started. But I also see people connect with a hunting guide and learn a lot from going with an outfitter until they can step out on their own.

Tim Weddington (38:27):

Right. And they learn it in a very short period of time. They learn a lot in a short period of time.

Gary Lewis (38:37):

Okay. Well, when somebody comes out and stays, what are you really hoping that they’ll take away from the experience?

Tim Weddington (38:48):

Honorable lifetime. Yeah. I want ’em to leave here thinking, wow, I can’t believe what I just experienced, and I can’t wait to go tell my friends, and I can’t wait to return next year.

Gary Lewis (39:01):

Yeah, that’s right. That’s right.

Tim Weddington (39:04):

That’s what it’s all about.

Gary Lewis (39:06):

Well, how can people find you?

Tim Weddington (39:08):

Best way to look us up on the internet. That’s where most of our marketing is done. Just get on the web and type in 10 gauge outfitters and you’re going to find us

Gary Lewis (39:19):

10 gauge outfitters.com and Kansas pheasant hunts and Kansas deer hunts, and then prairie dog hunts. So you got Turkey season coming up and you got prairie dog hunting after that

Tim Weddington (39:33):

Back to back. Yes, sir.

Gary Lewis (39:34):

Is there anything that’s going to be different about this year that maybe didn’t happen last year?

Tim Weddington (39:43):

Well, the only thing that’s really different is the fact that the non-residents had to draw a tag this year. That’s the only difference to the Turkey season that I see. We will see how that plays out.

Gary Lewis (39:56):

Alright, well good luck this season, Tim. It’s been great talking to you and I look forward to doing it again and maybe with a shotgun and behind German short

Tim Weddington (40:07):

Hair. Absolutely. Gary, it’s been a pleasure being on your podcast with you. I look forward to doing again.

Gary Lewis (40:13):

Alright, thanks a lot.

Tim Weddington (40:16):

Thank you.

Gary Lewis (40:17):

Okay. Good job, Tim. I’m going to put this together and I will let you know when it’s out and it’s probably going to be tomorrow morning.

Tim Weddington (40:26):

Alright. Just, if you don’t mind, shoot me a link while I can listen to it.

Gary Lewis (40:30):

I will. And it is good talking to you, and I really do hope we get to hunt together one day.

Tim Weddington (40:36):

I do too, Gary. Thank you very much.

Gary Lewis (40:39):

Bye.

(40:49):

Okay, guys, I want you to picture this. It’s 1962 and a kid goes into a music store in the little town of Band Oregon and he buys a guitar. It’s an electric slab board, fender Jazz Master. This is one of the rarest electric guitars in the world, but in 1962, it was the coolest guitar in the world, A three color sunburst with a rosewood fingerboard and tortoise tortoise. Shell pick guard. The boy goes home and he straps on the guitar. He plugs it into an amp. He sits down in front of the record player, he puts a vinyl disc on the platter, and he puts the needle on the chorus over and over and over till he nails it. On the other side of the country. In Michigan, a kid sits in front of a record player with a Gibson Birdland electric guitar, and he picks out the chorus from a Chuck Berry tune.

(41:52):

The Kid from Oregon starts his first band, the Statesman in 1962, while the kid from Detroit starts his band the next year, and he calls it the Amboy Dukes. They both graduated to a new sound. They called Hard Rock. Both were hunters. One carried a bolt, actual Winchester Model 70 while the other one shot stick and string. They were American boys steeped in freedom and raised in a culture that celebrated individual action and responsibility. They both had strong mentors. One was mentored by a pioneering bullet maker. One was mentored by Fred Bear, a bow hunting pioneer the kid from Oregon. He’s now a young man. He walks away from college and away from his rock band, and he joins the US Navy and the submarine service. The kid from Michigan gets a four F rating and keeps working on his guitar riffs. Ted Nugent gets his big hit with Cat Scratch Fever in 1977, and Bob Nozzle’s.

(42:51):

First big hit was ballistic tip. Both men served on the board of directors of the National Rifle Association, and by the nature of the organization, they were seated next to each other in alphabetical order. Two, harder working American men. It would be hard to find working hard, playing hard. When I made this connection, when I was working on the story that became Bob Nosler Born Ballistic, the book Born Ballistic, which is a winner of Noah’s excellence in Craft Contest. When it was published this book, I realized there was one word to describe Bob Nosler. That word is relentless. Relentless describes the youngster I came to know as I talked to the man he grew into. Relentless describes the musician, the sailor, the newly hired lube technician at Nosler Bulls Vice President of operations, the businessman who engineered the deal to bring the company back to family ownership.

(43:57):

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(45:38):

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Check the Kansas Dept of Wildlife and Parks website for License requirements. You will need a general Kansas hunting license to hunt pheasant

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